Template talk:Martial arts by country of origin
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Why does someone keep removing Combatives from the list of martial arts by country? As the official martial art of the US Army and now US Air Force it has well over a million practitioners and is arguably one of the most widely practiced martial arts in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Because the article about Combatives says that the word "combatives" is an Army term for hand-to-hand combat, and is very vague with regard to whether it is a specific discrete style of hand-to-hand combat, or just a descriptive or categorical term. On the talk page, for example, a number of people seemed to think that the word "combatives" was a term that could describe any hybrid martial art taught in a military context. As such, it's more of a category of martial arts, rather than a "type" or "style" like others on the list. I'm more than happy to discuss it, though. Bradford44 (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Additionally (and in contrast), American military arts like Marine Corps LINE combat system (if it weren't a stub) or MCMAP probably should go in the template. Bradford44 (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Catch Wrestling is known as "Lancashire Catch Wrestling" and should be included under the MAs of the United Kingdom. As should boxing arguably. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Please see:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Martial_arts#MA_nav_boxes --Nate1481(t/c) 08:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I think Soviet Union should be changed to Russia.
Two reasons: 1. Sambo and Systema were invented in the Russian SFSR. 2. I'm now going to start translate articles on Russian ancient martial arts and I want to enter them here.
Sorry but the article is big enough, it's not a start anymore.
Yes it has no English references but: 1. It all was referenced and translated. I sat the whole day and made shure every claim has a source, I brought the quote, and translated the quote. 2. The article is to big to be a start.
- Assessment is not the about length of the article but about it's quality, and currently there is not a single source accessible to the majority of readers of editors on the English wikipedia. I there fore agree with Bradford that it is not yet a c-class article. Please look at the definition of the different classes and examples here --Nate1481(t/c) 13:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
- But that means that even theoreticaly that article cant turn into a C-class. Not only that, when Bradford reverted me the article was realy weak. But now all the quotes were brought and translated. Now the claim that the general Englsih speaker cant't check it is not true, for who I translated all for few hours? It's all in English now. Lets hear more voices. If people oposse now, I revert myself. Kostan1 (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I see no reason why it shouldn't be on there. It's not a stub. It may be a hybrid martial art, but there are a lot of hybrids on there. Boxing as we know it today originates in the United Kingdom, so it shouldn't be under the "Unknown or no single origin" heading. And I also put Kampfringen on there, as it isn't a stub, as far as I'm aware. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- ZDK & kempfingen are start classes and, the consensus was to only include C and above.
- The Boxing article covers back to ancient Greek boxing, which didn't originate in the UK, but that is another debate & I have not seen it resolved. --Nate1481 12:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- Hello, I would like to discussion the inclusion, removal, name, and anything else in relation to these grappling arts and the template in question, the hope of avoiding any form of edit warring. The Scythian 17:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- I change these because Pahlavani is not the article name Varzesh-e Pahlavani is, so this is misleading, and both Wrestling in Iran (which Koshti redirects to) and Kurash are not c-class articles, which was decided as the appropriate level by the martial arts wikiproject to avoid the template becoming over cluttered. --Nate1481 17:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- Fair enough, and that makes sense. Though, I would like to expand the article on Pahlavani(it's common name), and add many more sources. I will make that a project for myself perhaps over the weekend. Thank you for the quick response. The Scythian 19:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Should an effort be made to consolidate the manav template with the List of martial arts page? Both are lists of martial arts by country, but they are not in sync. 19:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Historical European Martial Arts should probably be included in here somewhere. "Fencing" doesn't quite catch this, as HEMA includes unarmed portion and elements with non-sword weapons. The Jade Knight (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
so, this is one of the worst "navigation" templates on the project. I tried to fix it, but was called a "vandal".
In the meantime, collecting articles here that are actually about the martial arts of one specific country or region. Note that "country" here does not have the sense "state". E.g. "China" is a "country", not "People's Republic of China" vs. "Republic of China" (etc.). Hence using flag icons is already nonsense. Chinese martial arts isn't in any way related to the PRC. If anything, the PRC tried to de-emphasize traditional martial arts.
List of "by country" articles:
- East Asia
- South and Southeast Asia
(those articles marked "dubious" are broken and should probably be deleted, or else rewritten completely)
The last thing we want to do, and something this template encourages, is motivate people to start creating more "$ETHNIC martial arts" (Kazakh martial arts...) articles for no good reason.
The styles of folk wrestling need to be delegated to another template (if any) as a distinct topic. Don't create an "$ETHNIC martial arts" article just because there is an $ETHNIC style of folk wrestling or stick dance. No, Swiss martial arts should not become an article, nor should it be a redirect to Schwingen. It should be a redlink. --dab (𒁳) 12:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I tried to come up with some halfway sane approach to arrange this stuff.
This still leaves the question of inclusion threshold. People cannot just be allowed to link any crappy article about some minor martial arts school here.
Should an article like Spirit Combat be linked here? Probably not. This template, if it is to serve any purpose at all, needs to be properly organized, and it needs to be limited to listing only the most notable schools. There are gazillions of Japanese ryus. Any sensei can come up with his own ryu and go on to create a Wikipedia article about it. Who is keeping track? This article should list Karate (of course), and arguably also Styles of karate, but it should not reproduce the entire contents of the Styles of karate article. The same holds for List of Chinese martial arts, Styles of silat, etc.
Shurikenjutsu? Ninjutsu? Please give me a break. Whoever compiled this list clearly didn't have the first clue what they were doing. Random lists of articles by category? This is what our Category: pages are for. --dab (𒁳) 10:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
- Though I like the changes you made, this template is a joke. It should be gutted, completely. Does it really serve any purpose? Other than to possibly link petty nationalism to what is essentially "sport," by using specific nation states. The Scythian 04:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)